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Oliver Cromwell
3:20 Sat Feb 20
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Part of NATO that's good enough
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Hani
3:17 Sat Feb 20
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Iron2010
Not that I disagree but it's a sad state if affairs when Boris is the person the masses relate to. I can't stand Theresa May but she is a bonus for Cameron. The Stay campaign will win because they are united the Leave have 3 rival campaigns it just won't work if that continues.
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steveiron64
2:15 Sat Feb 20
THE DEAL
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We are now hearing a raft of reasons why this deal is 'good' and we should stay in the EU.
We will not be part of a Euro Army, for one.
What?! That's the first time I've heard the admission there could be a Euro Army - previously we were told this was 'scaremongering'.
£50 million a week, is it, to be in this club? Or is that per day. No thanks for me.
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Iron2010
1:27 Sat Feb 20
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It's also worth noting how heavily the right wing press have piled into Brexit this morning. Although not unexpected it will go into over drive with the London mayor on board and probably push the out came sign over the line.
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Iron2010
1:24 Sat Feb 20
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I'm going on a bit but the real story will develope when Borris declares his intentions. If he sticks with Cameron the out campaign won't have any real figure head that the public can relate too. If he campaigns with Brexit they not only have a chance but we have a leadership challenge on our hands.
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Mike Oxsaw
1:19 Sat Feb 20
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Here's what WILL happen should the "In" Crowd win the day.
The EU will reverse, negate or nullify each and every condition our esteemed leader sweated so hard to achieve - and then some (a civil servant scorned is far, far worse than a woman scorned).
The "In Crowd will then run about like demented banshees wailing "Why did nobody warn us?!!" and "Why did nobody see this as a possibility?!!", looking to blame everybody except themselves for voting away forever any chance to correct a bad decision (on their part).
The UK will be fucked, committed for all eternity to subsidise the work-shy of Europe and permanently dissuading them from making any effort to become self-responsible and self-reliant.
It'll be like having a crack-whore cousin who's habits the law says YOU, personally, must fund. On speed.
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Iron2010
1:17 Sat Feb 20
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Where are you Borris lad ?
Win this and your pm before the Autumn.
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Dwight Van Mann
1:08 Sat Feb 20
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Hammer and Pickle 12:57 Sat Feb 20
compard to Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden the UK is special, very special, as well they know it.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:57 Sat Feb 20
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And you can have all that rios. But in an ever more globalised and integrated world, this confusion of sovereignty with isolation is exactly what is creating the opinion that the UK is special needs.
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riosleftsock
12:47 Sat Feb 20
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Pickle, how could you know this?
Don;t you think what the UK wants is less political integration, less legislation from Brussels and a decent free trade and travel arrangement with our continental neighbours.
Doesn't seem that difficult.
France and Germany need political integration to stop them killing each other and having to ask us and the states to stop them.
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bobbymoore
12:36 Sat Feb 20
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, the question has already been set and it's similar to what you've said
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Nurse Ratched
12:33 Sat Feb 20
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I was thinking that.
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12:32 Sat Feb 20
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I would like to see the referendum ballot paper give two simple alternatives:
Remain in the EU
Leave the EU.
Bet it will not be put as simply and unambiguously as that though.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:31 Sat Feb 20
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Infidel 11:52 Sat Feb 20
'fraid I can't go along with you on that. London has perfect legislative sovereignty as far as the UK is concerned. What the UK wants though is to have its EU cake and all its various opt-outs, and that's nothing to do with sovereignty at all -it's about being special, and that is increasingly how the UK is being regarded.
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Toe Rag
12:11 Sat Feb 20
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Infidel 11:52 Sat Feb 20
This. In bucket loads.
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riosleftsock
12:10 Sat Feb 20
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They are the WHO WAGS
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,
12:06 Sat Feb 20
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What is Angy Birds?
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Mike Oxsaw
12:04 Sat Feb 20
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, 12:00 Sat Feb 20
You won't get ANY representation, proportional or otherwise if the EU project is allowed to come to fruition.
Just get back to Angry Birds and show the world how you make a difference.
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12:00 Sat Feb 20
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Bang on all you like about sovereignty Infidel and worry about democracy but as we presently live under a political system that does not give us representation proportionate to the way people vote it ranks of hypo racy to call out the EU system.
Oh and for Hermit I have always been for Bremain.
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1964
11:59 Sat Feb 20
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Infidel 11:52 Sat Feb 20
"It was never about migrant in-work benefits"
Absolutely agree with this. It is a total red herring that THEY THINK appealed to the masses.
It's an irrelevence and your right it is the whole rotten package of us being 'told' what to do and be by unelected EU knobs.
I'm OUT.
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Infidel
11:52 Sat Feb 20
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Cameron is backed into a corner.
His 'deal' isn't worth the paper it's written on. It changes nothing and can in any case be revoked by Brussels after the referendum, which is almost certainly will be.
But that isn't the issue anyway. It was never about migrant in-work benefits or other trivia. This is about sovereignty - do we want our laws to be made in our own Parliament by a government elected by us or by an unelected technocracy in Brussels?
A vote to remain is a vote for Britain eventually to be part of a United States of Europe, to have the same status that Ohio or Alabama has in the US.
That's the whole point of the EU - it is a political project to create a federal, unified European state, but it will differ from the US in that the intention is to run it as a technocratic dictatorship not hindered by elections or accountability to voters.
A vote to remain in the EU is a vote to consign your children and grand children to live in that world. They will lose the political freedom that people have died to secure over centuries. The EU is a giant leap backwards into a world where elites who consider the population to be 'the little people' run everything and decide what you are going to do for a living, where you will live, what you will eat and how you will live your life.
We are living the slow death of freedom and democracy. This referendum is the only way to extricate ourselves from it. You would have to be insane to vote to Remain.
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